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imfromjasenevo..Обращаясь фактически к Трампу, он заявил, что перед США стоит сегодня исторический выбор между политикой Chamberlain и политикой Churchill....
А Трамп точно знает кто такой Чемберлен и кто такой Черчилль?
А Трамп точно знает кто такой Чемберлен и кто такой Черчилль?
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Date: 2024-11-25 04:41 pm (UTC)Так же можно найти много статей из левой прогрессивной прессы, называющей Черчилля расистом, шовинистом, колониалистом, и как водится - фашистом. Я не помню точно, когда антифовские уроды громили памятники Джефферсону, Линкольну, Вашингтону и даже Тадеушу Костюшко - памятник Черчиллю тогда сбросили или только размалевали краской?
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Date: 2024-11-25 05:44 pm (UTC)И остается вопрос знает ли Трамп про Чемберлена.
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Date: 2024-11-25 06:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2024-11-25 06:23 pm (UTC)В общем мне требуется проверка, что действительно знает, что такой Черчилль.
И остается вопрос, знает ли он про Чемберлена.
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Date: 2024-11-25 07:06 pm (UTC)While there is no definitive proof that Donald Trump is intimately familiar with the appeasement debates of the 1930s in great detail, there is evidence to suggest he is aware of the general concept and the key figures involved, including Winston Churchill, Adolf Hitler, and Neville Chamberlain. This evidence comes from his public statements and comments over the years, although it's important to note that he doesn't always demonstrate a nuanced or historically accurate understanding of the topic.
Here's a breakdown of the evidence:
1. References to Appeasement in the Context of Foreign Policy:
Iran Nuclear Deal: Trump frequently criticized the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA), often framing it as a form of "appeasement." While he didn't explicitly reference the 1930s, this framing demonstrates an understanding of the term's negative connotation and its association with perceived weakness in foreign policy.
Example: In a 2018 tweet, Trump wrote, "The Iran Deal is a disaster. It was negotiated by weak people who didn’t have a clue what they were doing. It’s time for a new deal!" (This, while not explicitly mentioning appeasement, reflects a similar sentiment of avoiding confrontation.)
2. Mentions of Churchill and Hitler:
Winston Churchill: Trump has mentioned Winston Churchill on multiple occasions, often in a way that seems to admire Churchill's leadership style and his defiance of Nazi Germany.
Example: In a 2019 interview, Trump stated, "Churchill was a great leader. He was right about Hitler, wasn't he?" This suggests an awareness of Churchill's role in opposing appeasement.
Adolf Hitler: While Trump has rarely mentioned Hitler directly, when he has, it has usually been in a negative context, consistent with a general understanding of Hitler as a malevolent figure.
3. Absence of Direct Mentions of Chamberlain:
Neville Chamberlain: Notably, there is a lack of evidence that Trump has ever specifically mentioned Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister most associated with the policy of appeasement. This absence is significant because Chamberlain is the central figure in the historical narrative of appeasement.
Overall Assessment:
Based on the available evidence, it's reasonable to conclude that Donald Trump is generally aware of the concept of appeasement and the key figures involved, particularly Winston Churchill and Adolf Hitler. He uses the term "appeasement" in a contemporary context, indicating a basic understanding of its negative connotation.
However, there is no strong evidence to suggest that he possesses a deep or nuanced understanding of the specific historical debates surrounding appeasement in the 1930s. His comments often lack historical specificity, and the absence of mentions of Neville Chamberlain, the central figure in the appeasement story, is telling.
Potential Explanations for the Evidence:
General Historical Knowledge: Trump likely gained a basic understanding of these historical events through general education, popular culture, and media coverage.
Political Rhetoric: He uses historical references strategically, often to support his own political arguments and to frame his policies in a favorable light.
Superficial vs. Deep Understanding: It's possible he has a superficial understanding of these historical events, relying on broad strokes rather than detailed knowledge.
Advisers' Influence: It's also possible that his understanding of these issues is shaped by the advice and information provided by his advisors.
Conclusion:
While it's clear that Donald Trump is aware of the concept of appeasement and some of its key figures, the extent of his detailed knowledge and understanding of the 1930s debates is open to interpretation and likely not profound. His use of these references appears to be primarily for political and rhetorical purposes, rather than stemming from a deep engagement with historical scholarship. Further research and potentially future statements from Trump could shed more light on this topic.
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